Huh... These were not cheap

"CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever" (carsoffortlangley) 09/04/2020 at 11:07 • Filed to: None

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For various reasons, I was looking at the window sticker of a 2005 Grand Prix with the 3.8. This thing was priced at $29K Canadian in 2004? Jesus christ! That’s the MSRP for a stripper Ecoboost Mustang on today’s market, 15 years later.

Pretty good looking vehicle actually, I kinda miss the old days. We didn’t know what we had.

Also, I forgot how old Onstar was.... I looked it up and it came out in the 1997 model year....holy crap!

Merkin Muffley > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/04/2020 at 11:14

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Once they ditched the body cladding those were nice looking cars.

Same true to Avalanche for that matter

Jb boin > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/04/2020 at 11:15

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CP : t his care is full of STDs .

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Merkin Muffley 09/04/2020 at 11:16

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Same. I thought most of those 2000s GM trucks in particular were pretty good looking under the gaudy plastic. Well, not the Aztec.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/04/2020 at 11:16

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That's a lotta money...was its the 3.8 superchargered engine in that?

Future next gen S2000 owner > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/04/2020 at 11:17

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OnStar was pretty innovative when it came out.

ranwhenparked > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/04/2020 at 11:18

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Yeah, but any OnStar system prior to 2006 most likely doesn't work anymore. I think you could convert some of the later ones from that era, but anything from the 90s is totally dead.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 09/04/2020 at 11:19

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I think  (I know nothing) it is the NA 3.8?

Milky > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/04/2020 at 11:19

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TBH most new cars are really not that expensive for how much you are getting. A couple of examples like the latest Miata and Viper cost the same as their original versions adjusted for inflation, but clearly you got so much more.

O lder cars seem like a bad value in comparison.

For Sweden > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/04/2020 at 11:20

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Worth it for the 3.8

dogisbadob > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/04/2020 at 11:28

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It was available with a supercharged V6 or even a V8! The GXP with the LS4 has bigger tires in the front

29k for a base model NA 3.8? Not worth it, although it probably sold for like 20k new

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > dogisbadob 09/04/2020 at 11:31

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For all I know this could be the supercharged one!  I was just skimming over documents this morning and the window sticker caught my eye.

fintail > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/04/2020 at 11:40

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Maybe not cheap MSRP, but cheap inside, and they were probably easy to get for 20% under sticker. 

Ssfancyfresh > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/04/2020 at 11:43

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This would be +$50k today

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > dogisbadob 09/04/2020 at 12:10

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That’s 22-24  usd. Figuring 1usd to 1.2o-1.3 cnd in 2004

Long_Voyager94 > Ssfancyfresh 09/04/2020 at 12:10

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I still love those cars, gorgeous and insanely comfortable.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > ranwhenparked 09/04/2020 at 12:18

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All those early systems died with the death of analog cellular service. My former (and my parents occasional moving big things vehicle) 99 Escalade has an OnStar system that can't talk to the outside world for this reason.

cluelessk > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/04/2020 at 12:23

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I had a high km 04 just out of highschool. Was the perfect car. Fit my friends and good highway mileage.

Vehicle prices in Canada are all kinda nuts. Back then our prices were inflated way past the exchange rate.

Ssfancyfresh > Long_Voyager94 09/04/2020 at 12:53

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Yeah. And to be fair, this would have been the fanciest Olds you could get in 1992 and the feature list would have rivaled anything else on the market short of a Mercedes S-class

Looking at it now, I can’t help but think a modern version would be dope as hell. 

Long_Voyager94 > Ssfancyfresh 09/04/2020 at 12:56

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I can’t help but think a modern version would inevitably get ruined....

Kiltedpadre > Ssfancyfresh 09/04/2020 at 12:57

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I was going to mention my 1989 Riviera that had the same general pricing.

Ssfancyfresh > Long_Voyager94 09/04/2020 at 13:00

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The biggest hurdle would be overcoming the desire to design it around a set of 22" wheels. It wouldn’t end up looking as long, low, and sleek

ranwhenparked > Ssfancyfresh 09/04/2020 at 13:05

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With ridiculous bulging fender flares than ruin any ability to have cohesive lines running front to back, and the cowl would have to be about shoulder height to the average adult, and the hood would be 4 inches long and slope totally out of view of the driver.

dogisbadob > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 09/04/2020 at 13:07

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still more than it actually sold for lol

ranwhenparked > Future next gen S2000 owner 09/04/2020 at 13:12

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And now, it’s just annoying.

Normal GPS: type in your address and go

OnStar: bush button, listen to noises as it connects, listen to “thank you for connecting to OnStar, right now, many other members are connected to us too” hold message. More noises, operator picks up, voice muffled because she’s on speaker phone and sitting 12ft away from it, give your destination, spell it 3 times because she can’t find it, then wait while directions download. Then repeat, because the city is misspelled and you’re going to the wrong place.

Kiltedpadre > Long_Voyager94 09/04/2020 at 13:14

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My 1989 Riviera had some of the best seats I’ve ever had in a car. They were nicely shaped and had  adjustable side bolsters, an inflatable lumbar support, and adjustable thigh supports. If I would’ve added heaters they may have been perfect.

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/04/2020 at 13:30

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mine was cheap, but I haven’t been able to register it yet because the DMV is somehow even slower in Covid world

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford 09/04/2020 at 13:42

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I’m so glad we don’t really have DMV’s here.  

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/04/2020 at 13:44

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I sent in the title and rebuilding paperwork 10 weeks ago, after week 8 they finally tell me that the normal wait time now is 12 weeks. It used to “only” be 3-5 weeks. Hopefully we’ll be able to get it registered by the end of the month, but I’m losing hope

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford 09/04/2020 at 13:53

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Here title transfer, registration, plates and insurance are all done on the same spot at the same time.

It’s a slick system...for all its faults.

feather-throttle-not-hair > dogisbadob 09/04/2020 at 13:56

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Man, i keep seeing LS4 Chevys here in Seattle. Always very clean looking.

feather-throttle-not-hair > Ssfancyfresh 09/04/2020 at 13:59

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These were $33K in 1989. By ‘91 a new one would run you $37K.

But hey, it was a Maserati .

ish

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/04/2020 at 14:57

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Don’t give me more reasons to move to Canada. I just spent 3 hours at the DMV today just to get my license renewed.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford 09/04/2020 at 14:58

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That’s just our province.  The tradeoff is the highest insurance/gas in North America and no choice in who you buy insurance from.

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/04/2020 at 15:01

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Valid. But from everything else I’ve heard, Canada seems like a better place to live.

Amoore100 > Long_Voyager94 09/04/2020 at 15:49

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cRoSS tOroNaDo

Long_Voyager94 > feather-throttle-not-hair 09/04/2020 at 16:00

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In it’s defense the interior was unlike anything of it’s time with it’s plush/supportive leather seats.

As was it’s Turbo driveline.

Albeit the v6 versions were basically an overblown Lebaron.

Long_Voyager94 > Amoore100 09/04/2020 at 16:01

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feather-throttle-not-hair > Long_Voyager94 09/04/2020 at 16:58

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When I was 12, my next door neighbor’ s aunt Mindy took my neighbor (who was also 12) and me to the store in her convertible Lebaron.

She excitedly told us that “It has a V6 which is a pretty big engine for a little car. It’ll lay rubber for a while!”

She then proceeded to floor it from a stop several times failing to lay any rubber each time, eventually coming to the conclusion that her husband had replaced the worn out tires.

So that’s what I think about whenever I see a convertible Lebaron.

Labaron: Allegedly does burnouts if you wear the tires out enough

50ford500 > Milky 09/04/2020 at 17:18

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It’s a fact many seem to forget about inflation. Sure that car that may have been 3k years and years ago was only 3k but that would be 32000 in today dollars and you get AC, power everything a stereo a heater(yes this was optional many times, my old ford Tudor has an optional heater) not to mention they don’t crumple up like soda cans spewing blood gore and passengers all over the place when hitting things, can stop in less than a mile, don’t require constant adjustments as they used to and can accelerate at more than a snails pace while getting nice gas mileage  etc things really have improved and you get a lot more for what is effectively the same dollars

This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/05/2020 at 01:07

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They were not, and neither was the Bonneville SSEi. 34 grand, pretty sure US. 240hp 280tq was pretty respectable for the time though.

Long_Voyager94 > feather-throttle-not-hair 09/08/2020 at 07:04

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I can attest to the V6 being able to easily lay rubber, I’ve owned a few.

Although the Turbo motor in the TC will destroy the V6 without thinking twice.

feather-throttle-not-hair > Long_Voyager94 09/08/2020 at 13:55

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Yeah, I bet the problem was that the car had a bunch of people in it. Or maybe it was down on power for some reason. Just a very formative memory in my mind for some reason.